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Site:
nytimes.com
URL: www.nytimes.com
Screen captured: 5:05 pm, Nov. 7, 2000
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Questions
for Discussion
How are online
journalists using the Internet to tell the story of the 2000 presidential
election?
- What are your
initial impressions of this site?
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- How is this site
using writing to tell the story
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| 1.
What are initial impressions
of this site? |
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NYTIMES.COM
Catherine
Mitseas, 5:05 p.m.:
The NY Times Web site is beautiful to look at
but I quickly became frustrated. There were multiple
stories on the presidential race, House and Senate,
governor's races and stories from A.P., but all the
national election stories were posted two and half hours
ago. Associated Press had the most recent one and it
was simply a summary of the race. "Campaigns End; Now
Voters Have Their Say," was NYT's latest story at 3:09
and again it was nothing more than a summary. The story
can be found here.
I
kept
wanting to find information that would bring me to the
candidate right now. Instead, the photo gallery included
dry pictures of candidates on the campaign trail and
old shots of Super Tuesday. The live and recorded video
section was segmented into a small pop-up box. The photo
resolution was fuzzy and there was no way to enlarge
the picture. Even the "Political Points ABCNEWS.com's"
message boards were last updated at 12.30 PM.
Even
the live discussion with op-ed columnist Gail Collins
did not start until 9 p.m. Overall, what seemed to be
promising turned out to be pretty silly.
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WASHINGTONPOST.COM
Stephanie Berger, 5:06 p.m.: When I surfed washingtonpost.com,
I was looking for something different from what I would
find in the newspaper. Not sure why "Final Polls Show
Toss-Up" was the first link I followed -- biggest headline,
I guess. It didn't strike me as the "something different"
I craved, so I quickly clicked "Back." I spent 28 minutes
following links, noticing the structure of the Complete
Story Archive. Different than print newspaper, yes --
but I still wanted more. In my 36th minute, I found
-- in the purple sidebar on the Elections 2000 page
-- the live chats scheduled throughout the day. Now
THAT was different. I wish I'd seen the chats right
off the top. See how quickly you can find the link from
the top page.
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Berger:
Hey
Catherine. Wow: Colors *are* gorgeous. I also relate
to your frustration about the timing of the coverage.
Maybe because it's the Net we expect coverage to be
constantly updated, up-to-the-minute. I'm thinking print
routines probably have some influence.
Makes
me wonder if we'll see online newspapers doing real-time
coverage any time soon.
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Mitseas,
5:13 pm: Stephanie, I could not find live chats
at all. I found live online, but they were scheduled
discussions. Pretty good I guess. I liked Washington
Post's interesting angles, like who will concede and
what will they say. It's a busy site.
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Mitseas,
5:27: Stephanie, I suppose
there is a difficulty with continuous coverage. After
all, the presidential candidates probably do not want
every reporter from every news service hanging out with
them during their big wait. However, the Times
could learn a bit from The Washington Post. It
could offer more current photos, better reaction coverage
and some level of interaction, perhaps "the man on the
street" scenario.
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Berger,
5:41: Hey there. Looks like
you found the page I was talking about -- I can't figure
out why I didn't catch it sooner. Anyway, I got a kick
out of seeing what was on people's minds the day of
the election. Thanks for pointing me to the projected
concession speeches!
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| 2.
How is the site using interactivity
to tell the story |
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NYTIMES.COM
Mitseas, 7:07 p.m.:
I really want to say something nice about the NYT times
interactivity. However, there seemed to be only three
segments that were remotely designed to include the
online user. The site regularly posted the US presidential
electoral votes, along with the numbers for the House
and Senate and local races in the NY/NJ area in their
"result," bar on the right side of the screen.
Second,
they have a chat segment which is elusive and difficult
to find.
The most promising interactive section was NYT's Abuzz.
Unfortunately, at 20 minutes to 7 PM on election night,
the site's server must have been down because I only
got "page unavailable."
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WASHINGTONPOST.COM
Berger, 7:00 p.m.: So far, the most interactivity
I see on washingtonpost.com
is in the chat area. There is lots of multimedia to
look at, but the site must be busy. I wasn't able to
watch the videos I just tried.
You should know that my picture of interactivity is
one in which I can see the Web site connecting with
people, as the chat transcripts let me to do. I can't
see people in their homes reacting to the videos, or
share my reaction to that same video with them, but
I can read a chat trail and respond to the same issue.
BTW, now that I'm actually looking *under* the front
page photo, I see the Live Online chats ARE linked off
the top!
Ooh, it's 6:31 and I'm surfing as I write -- I just
reloaded the 6:30 update. Pretty exciting to "reload"
and see a drastic change ... it made me feel "connected"
somehow to the events of the evening. At 6:51, I'm still
unable to connect to the server to watch a video. But
I'm going to play with this interactive map. What do
you think about it?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpsrv/onpolitics/
elections/2000/results/whitehouse/front.htm
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| Berger,
7:23:I guess you and I have
a similar take on interactivity... do you think? I got
to Abuzz. I haven't used it before. It's cool to read
a message from President Clinton on a discussion board
that we could join too. Try Abuzz and see if it's up now
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Mitseas,
7:30: Chat rooms reminds
of a bunch of people shouting in a room where no one
is listening. That said, Abuzz is definitely the most
interactive and probably interesting part of this site.
I hope I did not miss anything. Web sites can really
bury content.
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Mitseas,
7:05 pm: The map was ok. I liked it. What type of
information about the race did the chat rooms tell you?
Any trends?
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Berger,
7:48:Yes, I see your point
about live chats. I do believe the transcripts are valuable,
though -- as a record of what the public is thinking,
or "shouting" about.
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Berger,
7:35: The transcripts showed
me people have lots of questions. I read from people
who asked about election day procedures, Nader, media
coverage. Tell you the truth -- I haven't noticed any
trends. Buzzing around the Web with the TV on ... it's
kind of hard to analyze all that's pouring in :)
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| Mitseas,
7:42 pm: Questions are good. That means people are
thinking. If they were simply making statements, the conversation
would be too dogmatic. Catherine |
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3.
How is the
site using writing to tell the story?
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NYTIMES.COM
Mitseas, 9:07 p.m.:The copy
on the NYT Web site has remained largely unchanged in
the last six hours. The story listed below seems to
be NYT's leader. It may have been updated throughout
the day, but it still simply speaks of what a tight
race this has become. In addition, the copy seems to
go on and on, meandering through Clinton's influence
on Gore, to how Florida is not a shoe-in for Bush to
where Gore and Tipper plan to go for the evening. This
story could use a few subheads and formatting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/07/
politics/08CND-CAMP.html
The left side bar link "Political Points" offers two
informational sections, "Region by Region" and "Race
to 270." Region by Region offered reasonable vignettes
of each state's position within the presidential campaign.
They were easy to read and pretty short, about 200 words.
Political Points allows the viewer to point to a state
and learn the electoral information about the candidate.
Unfortunately little of the information on this site
was truly current.
Check out the video attached. Notice the results segment
on the right lower side of the screen. It still says
Bush has 80 votes, although at 9:04 PM, Bush secured
192.
I found the stories on NYT very traditional and similar
to what you would find in a newspaper. That may seem
like a huge Duh!, but I expected more from the country's
leading daily.
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WASHINGTONPOST.COM
Berger, 8:14 p.m.:
washingtonpost.com
has 5 pull-down menus where you can access election
results:
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State Summaries
- Presidential
Results
- Senate
Races
- House
Races
- Governor
Races
The
site uses very few words to link you to this info. I
like the instant access these pull-down menus give you.
Right now (8:07), the electoral votes posted on the
front page aren't matching up with what I hear on the
TV (CNN). The site is charting the network elections,
though.
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Mitseas,
8:21 pm:I
am finding the same delay in updates on NYT. But that
chart is terrific. What an experience to watch the Web
while watching television. |
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Berger,
9:32 p.m.:I
checked out the article. I agree that subheds would
help make the text easier to scan. However, I have to
say -- the paragraphs are short enough for easy reading.
I also checked out the attachment: What was your source
for the 192 at 9:04? I'm assuming CNN -- is that right?
Based on all we've seen with the Web tonight, I've learned
not to expect real-time results from the newspapers
this time around. Yet, I think it's good that they appear
to be "writing" the results carefully. The Net has that
"rumor-mill" reputation. Tonight's coverage on the Post
and NYT boosts my faith in the Net.
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Berger,
8:34 p.m.:I
agree! I wonder how many people are also multi-tasking
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Naturally, Web sites have to consider that people multi-task.
That's one reason the chart of networks' calls on the
election is a great idea -- it's an example of writing
on the Web that gives me context I can't get anywhere
else.
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| Mitseas,
9:38 pm: Very
good point about credibility. I am sure a paper as big
as NYT wants to make sure its coverage is as accurate
as possible. Yes the number was from CNN. I think the
Net and election coverage will get better as computers
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Mitseas,
9:17 pm: I
suppose we are experiencing history here. This is probably
the first time the US population has used the Internet
to collectively follow the elections. I know, as the
techies in the room are quickly reminding me, the Internet
has been around for quite a while. However, how many
people can say that their moms, aunts and children were
also logged on in 1996?
In fact, we are probably being too harsh on these sites.
Television has had 50 or more years to refine their
techniques. The Web is still figuring out and they are
doing without a uniform platform. My computer may be
slower than yours. Your computer may have better resolution.
I am sure these sites will get better and better. In
regards to the chart, it is interesting that the Web
turned to television to help keep track of the election.
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Berger,
9:48 p.m.: I'll
say -- We're in the heat of history. But I can't help
thinking: We've got access to the Net. Many, many people
don't. I hope that more people will have access in the
coming years.
When I think of writing online, I think of untapped
possibilities. I believe it's important to talk about
what the sites could do better. I'm glad I discovered
that TV chat on the Post site -- it's a clear example
of good stuff to come.
Thank you for this exchange.
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